Section 8
I would like those of you who have personal experience on the good and bad with Section 8 in Upper Darby to please offer your thoughts on the subject.
I have received many letters demonizing the program and few supporting it.
I hope you'll contribute to this discussion.
Thanks, Casey
I have received many letters demonizing the program and few supporting it.
I hope you'll contribute to this discussion.
Thanks, Casey
posted by Casey Roncaglione at 5/05/2007 09:44:00 AM
32Comments:
Casey,
I have owned my home for 18 years. I am in the Stonehurst section of UD, and if I could get out of this ghetto, I would.
Ever since Section 8 came into the township, it's brought nothing but trouble. Crime is on the rise and I can't even begin to tell you the trouble I've had with one of my Section 8 neighbors. I go to court with her on May 30th and I pray the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania will make her pay for terrorizing my family and causing over $4,000 worth of damage to my car. It took a videotape to stop her madness.
What I want to know is how many politians live next door to those Section 8 homeowners? Probably zero, as they wouldn't want to live next to them.
I hate it and I wish it were never introduced into the township. The minute I can get my kids out of here, I'm gone and I'll NEVER look back.
Sorry for the rant. The subject just makes my boil though...
Casey, while not a citizen of UD, I worked for DCMH Medics for 4 years. The more Section that came into a given police sector, the more domestic violence, assault, OD and shootings we saw.
The Villa out on radbourne wasn't the only area,...some apts near Garrettford-Drexel Hill saw the same problems.
Section 8 is the worst thing that could happen to a community, IMN-SHO.
I agree!! The politicians are sticking their collective heads in the sand,and will be long gone when this county turns into Southwest Philly and the Westward migration continues.... You can't hide in Drexel Park forever...What they have allowed to happen in this county,in the name of the almighty dollar is criminal
Section 8 is a cancer in Upper Darby and the rest of the area. Time to get rid of it or better yet, lock up the abusers of it.
Cheers.
Casey,
No response?
I bet if you did a poll of the residents of Upper Darby Township, the results would be overwhelming to get rid of Section 8 NOW!
Was just getting thoughts, and I'mnot surprised. If elected, and can do anything about it, I will work to rid Upper Darby of this cancer.
Although getting rid of the cancer would be fantastic, but those that are still in the Section 8 homes will probably have immunity.
There aren't many places left to move in the township that aren't plagued by this disease.
My question: Who the hell brought this into UD in the first place? I'd seriously love to kick their ass, but they're definitely not worth going to jail for so I'll just continue to think of them at scum of the earth for ruining what was once a very great and proud township.
Section 8 was introduced by none other than Mayor "Sonny" Kane, in the late 70's.
Section 8 isn't going anywhere, and I think we all know that. And even if it did, it wouldn't make a difference. The township has been run down to the ground because of it.
Take a look at Stonehurst. It's the armpit of UD. Bywood? It's a dive. Highland Park USED to be a nice place to live, but that's turning into a shit hole too. I used to love Kirklyn, but it's creeping in there also. I don't think there are many parts of the township that are safe, with the exception of Arnonomink, because nobody can afford to live there, and I do believe Westbrook Park is still safe.
God, I can't wait to move.
The politicians are ALL talk on this subject, both Dems & Republicans alike and that's a major disappointment.
Where the hell is Sonny Kane today? I want to kick his ass!
When I moved to Highland Park 4 years ago, it was pretty nice. In that short time, I've noticed it's starting to seem a lot more like the area of South Philly I thought I'd left behind. Whether or not it's down to Section 8 is unclear to me, but it seems like there's a lot of houses on my block that look like no one owns them - trash everywhere, broken chairs just sitting on porches for months, weeds growing tall in the yards, even broken windows - but I know these houses are inhabited, just not kept up.
Is there anything that can be done in the short term, or do we have to wait for someone like Casey to push a change through legislation?
Mrs. Harridan,
I have penned a letter to the Daily Times. I am also attempting to put together a symposium on the issue with local, state and federal officials.
Casey
Face it. Blacks are lazy people and do not contribute to squat here in America. U.D. is just another territory that they conquered in the last few years while Whites flee.
Martin Luther King
George Washington Carver
Jesse Owens
W.E.B. DuBois
Paul Robeson
Sojourner Truth
Harriett Tubman
Frederick Douglass
Benjamin Banneker
Mary McLeod Bethune
Ralph Bunche
I'AM SORRY YOU PEOPLE TAL'SK ABOUT SECTION8 LIKE I'TS A CRIME REMEMBER CRIME CAN HAPPEN ANYWHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIVE IN THE GETTO OR SUBURBS LOOK ALL I'AM SAYINY IS YOU CAN LIVE NEXT DOOR TO A PERSON YOUR WHOLE LIFE AND NEVER REALLY KNOW THEM OKAY SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE BAD RUN IN'S WITH SOME BUT REMEMBER EVERYBODY THAT OWNS HIS OR HER HOUSE IS SAINT IF YOU WANT TO PACK YOUR FAMILY AND GO THEN THATS YOUR CHOICE BUT YOUR SHOWING YOUR CHILDREN SOME FORM OF LOOKING DOWN ON PEOPLE AND GUESS WHAT COUNT YOUR BLESSING BECAUSE YOU DON'T WHAT THE NEXT DAY BRINGS
I am a single black parent of 1 child. I BOUGHT my Highland Park house 4 years ago. So far my area is still quite nice. I do agree that section 8 is a problem. Although I sympathize with those who truelly need housing I believe they should be made to upkeep their homes. If they don't they should be evicted and sent back to the shelter. The landlord should also be fined if they do not maintain the lawn and such. Everyone is blaming the tenants while the landlord is laying on the beach collecting the rent. The other issue is all of the Asian/African/Carribean stores that are opening up. West Chester Pike looks horrible! This is suppose to be the suburb of the city. If I wanted to live near a bunch of corner stores and chinese stores I would have stayed in the city! WAWA is enough!
So far the area is quite nice. The reason areas get not nice is because of blackies. look at the rest of upper darby and the newspapers as evidence.
honkie kracker...no one is holding you back you can always move and the neighborhood would be so much better. But unless you can buy an island for yourself, how about being part of the solution and not the problem. It is because of people like you that the US experienced 9/11.
Yeah. Sure thing. Upper Darby/ Stonehurst was a safe place to live in the 60's and 70's until certain people started "moovin' on up" if you catch my drift.
Fuck all you losers who destroyed my hometown. May your Mothers, Brothers and children experience what you have brought like a plague to Delco. EVIL.
Cheers.
I am a married black woman living in Upper Darby. I have a very good job and my husband is a police officer. We purchased our home here
7 years ago and the neighborhood has changed. I agree that some people need housing assistance because of their situation. However, I don't agree with the way some people abuse the help. It's not just black people on Section 8. There are whites, hispanics and so forth. I work very hard to maintain my property. Everyone should be worrying about the growing population of Mexicans. They are taking Upper Darby over the way they did Norristown. Most of them are renters and live 12 people to a home. We have a house on our street with 11 Mwexicans living in one house. They drink, party, smoke and throw trash everywhere. The whites are renting to the Mexicans. As long as they can make a profit and not have to live near the Mexicans themselves, they don't care. There are bad people in every race.
Pleaseknow that everyone on section 8 is bad. I'm a single mother of 3 children (my husband is deceased). when he left us we were both still young and times got hard for me and my children. section 8 was helped us so much they have allowed me to keep my children off the streets and out of shelters. Some of us take pride in our homes. My apartment looks the same as when I moved in here. I cherise what I have, and i'm so sad that people have abused some of your home. Just remember that sometime life throws a curve ball and you never know you may need a little extra help
sorry i didn't use spell check but I hope you all got the point.
OK I understand some of the problems with Section 8 and in fact ran into it when we lived in Haverford, so don't think Upper Darby is the only area facing the problems of providing affordable housing and housing assistance. But I also have two handicapped daughters, one who works part time but can't get a full time job due to her disability. This is the kind of person Section 8 should help. She's responsible, volunteers in the community, takes care of where she lives now etc. So don't be quick to throw all section 8 housing recipients in the same group. Generalizations are always a bad thing. It's not one group, it's not just the income level, it's some people are just not going to take care of the their property no matter how much money they have... it's a matter of personal responsibility. I am sure most of you would be happy to have my daughter as your neighbor...she's the one who shovels snow for the elderly woman across the street, runs errands for the young mom with twins down the street, stops in to visit an elderly couple who can't get out often etc. So not everyone who needs Section 8 assistance is a bane to your existence. I am appalled at many of the comments I am reading here.
hello i am on section8 and i am a well kept person! i feel a little offended by the way some of ya'll are talking. everyone on section8 isn't BAD,NASTY,RUDE,IGNORANT AND BLACK!!! it all depends on the person now yes there are many residents out there that act out and have no respect, but don't label it the way ya'll have been! section8 should be allowed anywhere, but certain people shouldn't! u shouldn't label it section 8 needs to go..no it's those people that are there thats destroying everyone elses life..whether on section8 or not!!!!!
WOW it seems to be so much more prejudice in the world than I originally thought. Color, religion, now social class. Why so much division? Section 8 was designed to help low income families, nowadays many of us fit into that bracket. Some of us are one paycheck away from eviction and the econonmy is to blame. I know many people on section 8 and they don't act that way. I also know many people on section 8 that have some issues but how can one say that section 8 housing is the reason for the fall of their entire community? That's CRAZY! Section 8 is not a person and if someone is rude or ignorant they were before, during and after section 8. I do think section 8 needs to do some thorough screening, however every program design to help is not bad it is the people who abuse the programs and the onlookeers who PRE-JUDGE them like the ones here posting negativities!!
The scary part is that you pass these prejudices to your children the same ones who will soon become parts of society and we wonder why why we have so much division within our own country!
Section 8 was introduced into my hometown of Upper Darby in the late seventies by Mayor "Sonny" Kane in exchange for some federal dollars that he spent on a bullshit pedrestrian bridge over market st, lined his and his cronies pockets, etc. He ruined our town, plain and simple. Stick your race card bullshit up your ass you liberal asshole. Society is the way it is because of the media. "Stupid White Guy" commericials are the norm, while Blacks and Latinos and Women get promoted. Well guess what? White American Males comprise 90 percent of the money in the U.S.
I am sick of your liberal bullshit Obama saying it's ok to have two daddies mentality. I only hope and pray to God(Yes the invisible man in the sky) to you that judgement day comes soon.
P.S. you ain't got the BALLS to post your REAL NAME Mr/Miss Anonymous
RON PAUL IS THE ANSWER!
Your right I have don't have the balls because I am FEMALE! Wow I live in Lansdowne and it appears that something I saId struck a cord but I'm not going to stoop to your level and curse and try to belittle anyone, not my style. Typing your thoughts is one thing a blog was for not to directly to attack someone you don't even know. Opinions are just that! However, it's good to know what we are dealing with still in these times. It's obvious some are very bitter just within themselves. It's also funny how someone can prejudge you as a liberal by reading six lines. I am a lawyer.....a black lawyer....A BLACK FEMALE LAWYER! I deal with prejudices like these on a daily basis nothing you said moved me and it's typical. But you have a good judgement day just the same! LOL!!! Denis Pennington ESQ.
AKA ANONYMOUS
Hey Pennington you handled a case for me last year I relocated with the outcome but fell on hard times and I am trying to get housing with section 8. I can't believe what I'm reading on here. If I'm one of the white males that compromise that 90 percent then I would like to have my share. This blog is like an anti-black one. I know more people on welfare and in section 8 who are white than black. I recently had liver transplant and the man was black who gave it to me. It's crazy cause when you go to the doctor for a blod transfusion noone asks you do you want black blood or white blod that's because it's no difference. We all have different ways of doing things but when cut we all bleed the same this shit is just ridiculous. I wonder if someone would feel the same if the had a choice between receiving blood from a section 8 person or dying. Thanks again for your help Pennington and this shit is just beneath you don't even respond again bigots be it black or white will always be just THAT!!!! Hiding behind SECTION 8 as a reason to hate a race. SAD........
Timmons
If you have 90 percent of the money then take back your damn community WARD!
Bottom line? It's YOU all who labeled me a racist. I've seen and heard it before. While your at it, why don't you check out what I posted on Section 8 housing on this blog a few years ago.
http://www.totallydelco.com/blog/2006/03/ban-section-8-in-upper-darby.html
You cowards haven't got a clue as to what racism is.
I only have five letters for Ward, LOSER!
My mother, myself and my little sister is on Section 8 and I can't believe what I am reading right now. The people who talk down about people on Section 8 should be ashamed of themeselves. I am 24 years old and graduated last year from Arcadia University and got accepted to work for Septa. My little sister is 18 years old and graduated from Nueva Esperaza Academy Charter High School with honors. My mother is currently disabled from a fall and we don't take life for granted. Not all peopole on Section 8 is ghetto or rude to their neighbors. We are lovely people and just because a system helps pay the rent doesn't mean that we are trouble. You people are the reason why this economy is so messed up now. Racism is still effecting this economy and if you don't stop now then your children are going to be raised with the same nonsense your going threw. You people are just plain ignorant. Not all Section 8 people are trouble. People in the suburbs go threw the same problems as people in the city with neighbors.
Let me first start off by saying, I HATE SECTION 8.
This is the typical Section 8 story. You get some chick who can't keep her legs closed, so she coughs out 3 or 4 kids.
She doesn't have a real job, because she won't be able to get section 8. Then she has a boyfriend, who then lives with her, and guess what, "
HE DOESN'T HAVE A JOB ALSO".
They mess up the house that they rent, until the landlord kicks them out. And then the SECTION 8 BASTARDS rent another house and repeat the same trifilling behavior.
If the federal government wants to cut some programs and save on spending, LIMIT SECTION 8!!!!!
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